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Number of USB 3.0 Ports | 2 |
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Screen Size | 43 Inches |
Resolution | 4K UHD 2160p |
Aspect Ratio | 16:9 |
Screen Surface Description | Glossy |
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- 43 3840x2160 Super Speed VA Display, NVIDIA G-SYNC Compatible.Contrast Ratio : 4000:1, Voltage : AC 100-240V - 50 or 60Hz.
- Brightness(Typ) is 300cd or m²
- 144Hz Refresh Rate, High Bit Rate 3 support (HBR3)
- 1ms Response Time (MPRT)
- KVM Monitor, and 8-bit color plus FRC
- 98 percent AdobeRGB or 96 percent DCI-P3 and VESA Display HDR1000
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For gaming | 4.2 | 4.1 | 4.3 | 5.0 | 4.2 | 4.8 |
Picture quality | 4.1 | 4.2 | 4.1 | 4.2 | 4.0 | 4.5 |
Screen quality | 4.0 | 4.0 | 4.0 | 4.4 | 3.8 | 4.9 |
Brightness | 4.4 | 4.1 | 4.1 | — | 4.3 | 4.7 |
Value for money | 4.3 | 3.5 | — | — | 4.7 | 4.0 |
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display size | 43 inches | 31.5 inches | 27 inches | 43 inches | 34 inches | 31.5 inches |
resolution | 4K UHD 2160p | 4K UHD 2160p | 4K UHD 2160p | 4K UHD 2160p | WQHD 1440p | 4K UHD 2160p |
display technology | VA | VA | LCD | LCD | VA | LCD |
hardware interface | usb3.0, hdmi, displayport, usb3.0 c | usb3.0, hdmi, displayport, usb3.0 c | hdmi, displayport, usb c | hdmi | displayport, hdmi, headphone, usb3.0 a | usb, hdmi |
viewing angle | 170 degrees | 178 degrees | 160 degrees | 178 degrees | 178 degrees | — |
mounting type | Wall Mount | Wall Mount | Wall Mount | Desk Mount | Wall Mount | Wall Mount |
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Brand | GIGABYTE |
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Series | AORUS FV43U-SA |
Item model number | AORUS FV43U-SA |
Item Weight | 33 pounds |
Product Dimensions | 25.12 x 38.08 x 9.89 inches |
Item Dimensions LxWxH | 25.12 x 38.08 x 9.89 inches |
Color | AORUS |
Voltage | 240 Volts |
Manufacturer | GIGABYTE |
ASIN | B0947K1VRX |
Country of Origin | China |
Date First Available | April 28, 2021 |
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4.2 out of 5 stars |
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Best Sellers Rank | #66,261 in Electronics (See Top 100 in Electronics) #1,598 in Computer Monitors |
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144Hz Refresh Rate
Smooth and clean gaming. The FV43U monitor is armed with 144Hz refresh rate, promising smooth and stutter-free gameplay.
Designed for the Future
Larger bandwidth, and more immersive gameplay. The FV43U comes equipped with 2x HDMI 2.1 ports. HDMI 2.1 provides a whopping 48Gbps bandwidth, allowing you to max out gameplay settings on any PC or next-gen console.
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Aim Stabilizer SyncThis feature will reduce motion blur so you will have a better visual clarity that helps tracing the track of bullet and aim the target easily. |
Black EqualizerThis feature allows you to have more details of the dark side without overexposing the bright side at the same time. |
DashboardThe dashboard reveals your real-time hardware information including CPU voltages, clock speed, temperatures, etc. The best part is that it won’t be blocked by any games. |
OSD SidekickGIGABYTE OSD Sidekick allows you to set the display options with keyboard and mouse, giving you the easiest way to adjust monitor settings. |
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43” 3840x2160 Super Speed VA Display, NVIDIA G-SYNC Compatible 144Hz Refresh Rate, High Bit Rate 3 support (HBR3) 1ms Response Time (MPRT) / 1ms KVM Monitor, and 8-bit color 98% AdobeRGB / 96% DCI-P3 and VESA Display HDR1000/HLG Tactical Display with Premium ESS SABRE Audiophile Sound System Exclusive Tactical Features - Game Assist, OSD Sidekick and Dashboard Ergonomic Design with Swivel, Pivot, Tilt and Height Adjustments and Power Board Low Blue Light TÜV Rheinland, EyeSafe Certified & Flicker-Free Display VESA Wall Mount Compatible 200x2100mm 1x Display Port 1.4, 2x HDMI 2., 2x USB 3.0, 1x USB C AORUS guarantees zero bright dot within one year of original purchase. AORUS Gaming Monitors pack upscale performance into a streamlined package. The FV43U provides an advanced gaming experience through AORUS utility software and offers fluid, vibrant gameplay with 1ms response time, up to 144Hz refresh rate, VA panel display, and compatibility with graphic card software.
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Customers like the quality, value, and refresh rate of the monitor. For example, they mention it's a great buy, has amazing graphics, and has the best price to performance. Some are disappointed with the color. Opinions are mixed on sturdiness, brightness, and pixels.
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Customers like the image quality of the monitor. They say the colors are rich and vibrant, the picture is great, and the graphics are visually appealing. Some mention that the color accuracy was spot on and the monitor has a better color range than most business class monitors. Overall, most are happy with the picture and features of the product.
"...It just looks so gorgeous!". I have used it in gaming sessions in excess of 6+ hours without the slightest issue (knock on wood)...." Read more
"...The menus aren't hard to grasp. Color is good enough, but I'm red-green colorblind so I can't say how a professional photographer/designer/editor..." Read more
"...The colors or so rich and vibrant, and the assurance its not OLED just make its that much better feeling...." Read more
"...It has Picture in Picture, split computer view and good colors . I haven’t noticed any dead pixels...." Read more
Customers like the quality of the monitor. They say it's a great monitor, with an incredible screen. They also say it is an excellent monitor for next-gen consoles, with superb quality and durable construction. Some customers also mention that the monitor's panel is amazing and a truly amazing piece of gaming hardware. Overall, most are satisfied with the quality and features of this high-end gaming monitor.
"...After some words with the seller the 2nd monitor arrived and it is incredible...." Read more
"...Monitors are decent, I have multiple and all had dead pixels out of the box, they're still worth it to me for the size and refresh rate" Read more
"Pretty good monitor for gaming and watching movies." Read more
"...Namely a lot of monitor flashing when windows is flipping between SDR and HDR; which can happen in games..." Read more
Customers like the value of the monitor. They say it's worth the price, has the best price to performance ratio, and strikes the perfect balance between features and value. Some mention that it'd be a great choice if you're looking for a 4K monitor in the 43" category.
"...to anyone looking for a great monitor with a few caveats at an exceptional value." Read more
"This at its sale price is a good investment, the FV43U is NOT worth the $1100 MSRP.Pros:*..." Read more
"...This is a gaming monitor. It's a more than reasonable value for a gaming monitor...." Read more
"...The monitor is expensive but definitely worth it.EDIT:..." Read more
Customers like the refresh rate of the monitor. They mention that the 120 fps is truly something to see, the 144 mhz refresh rate is quick, and the monitor is very fast. Some say that the PC outputs without adapters, it has good refresh rates and HDR for gaming and video, and that the FPS gaming has improved immensely.
"...is minimal with a balanced overdrive setting and response time is totally acceptable. Again the blacks look great for a TN panel...." Read more
"...144 mhz refresh rate is quick and responsive...." Read more
"...This is worthy of an HDR certification. The 105 ppi is a great upgrade from those using a 1440p monitor..." Read more
"...I opened up Cyberpunk 2077 and it is buttery smooth. No tearing. I'm using a 1080ti for my GPU...." Read more
Customers are mixed about the sturdiness of the monitor. Some mention that it has a fairly above-board build quality, is durable, and has decent quality speakers built in. However, some customers say that the quality is disappointing, the unit they received was faulty, and came with defects.
"...for almost a month, and yes i understand the dust issues and quality control problems, beside that gigabyte approved my RMA within two hours on a..." Read more
"...Even though it’s loud on 1, it is very nice to have decent quality speakers built in. They sound good for a monitor...." Read more
"...The underlying AUO panel has a hardware design defect that causes pixel-row interference on the top half of the screen...." Read more
"...Audio can fill room but not high quality, not $1100 MSRP good* Still feels like a monitor although in TV size territory..." Read more
Customers are mixed about the pixels of the monitor. Some mention that there are no dead pixels or backlight bleed, while others say that they have multiple areas of dead pixels.
"...The problem was the replacement (3rd monitor so far) had a few dead pixels...." Read more
"...Dead pixels happen, but to have them show up in the middle of a large monitor under 1 week of owning the monitor is unacceptable...." Read more
"...The one I received has very little backlight bleed as well. The monitor WILL RUN HOT if you run it at the stock brightness settings...." Read more
"...*Update: Stuck pixel found! Not sure if I'm going to do anything about it but I might ask support for help...." Read more
Customers are mixed about the brightness of the monitor. Some mention that the size is great, the brightness is awesome, and the HDR is good. They also appreciate the direct backlight, which is much nicer than edge-lit, and mention that it doesn't dim as another IPS screen they have. However, some customers find the brightness too bright, with poor halo due to only 8 light zones. They mention that a very bright stuck pixel in the bottom center of the screen gives it an awkward glow. They say that local dimming causes bloom.
"...The local dimming causes bloom, sure, but it also brings amazing depth to large-highlights and Gigabyte seems to have a good - but not perfect -..." Read more
"...I noticed a very bright stuck pixel (green) right in the bottom center of the screen while I was playing Ghost of Tsushima...." Read more
"...It is very bright. I had been using a 4k tv (43"). I noticed how the letters are so very clear as I am typing this...." Read more
"...There *is* some backlight bleed. Full screen applications discord or your browser might look a bit weird, but they're no less useable...." Read more
Customers are dissatisfied with the color of the monitor. They mention that it goes black randomly, and the dimming makes the edges of the screen go dark. Some say that dark scenes are extremely bad, with ugly black smears. They also say that games look blocky and are more grey than black.
"...This failed as every time the update was almost complete the screen would black out and the update would fail...." Read more
"...This morning though, when I got to the PC, there was a horizontal line across the entire panel...." Read more
"...6000:1 native contrast gives this panel insane depth, the blacks are honestly great...." Read more
"...The major issue is the screen goes black randomly, to me it seems like some sort of HDCP bug like it's re-authorizing...." Read more
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My pc and monitor remain on 24/7 to give you an idea of the kind of usage my components get. I run the background you see in the picture with HWINFO64 and several other applications that stay in the same spots; so far I have experienced zero burn in. I received this monitor new without a single dead pixel and it still has none!!
This AORUS FV43U monitor comes with the now typical small plastic tripod style legs which work well enough but clearly do not allow you to adjust for angle or height. I would prefer something more substantial and metal but the work.
The monitor has fantastic color reproduction for the price and some of the most even blacks I've experienced with a TN panel. The one I received has very little backlight bleed as well. The monitor WILL RUN HOT if you run it at the stock brightness settings. It was at 50 brightness by default and I run it at 5! I also updated the firmware which was supposed to address excess heat. The process to update the firmware was intuitive and easy enough.
HDR looks great on the monitor but unfortunately HDR implementation on Windows is horrendous. Namely a lot of monitor flashing when windows is flipping between SDR and HDR; which can happen in games (if another app is doing something in the background). I just turned HDR off and fine tuned my settings to most accurately reproduce the gamut. You need to run this monitor with BOTH the USB and Display/HDMI cables. I don't use the Aorus software but still had to run the USB for some of the monitors functionality.
When I run the monitor @ 144hz text looks odd especially when scrolling. Setting it to 120hz makes the text look nice and even regardless of where it is on the display. I don't have to use cleartype or any other software corrections to make text bearable and I constantly read and write large bodies of text on it.
I used this monitor for gaming a lot and I really enjoy it for this purpose. My previous monitor was 1440p and I am getting a kick out of 4k gaming and this monitor has a LOT of real estate. There are times in some games when I just stop and think "Wow! It just looks so gorgeous!". I have used it in gaming sessions in excess of 6+ hours without the slightest issue (knock on wood). Ghosting is minimal with a balanced overdrive setting and response time is totally acceptable. Again the blacks look great for a TN panel.
This was a big purchase for me and I am on a fixed income. I did quite a bit of research and compared many, many monitors. I think the AORUS FV43U strikes the perfect balance between features and value. Most the other monitors @ this size cost more and are ultra wide monitors with abysmal pixel densities and native resolutions that are not supported by many games. For the same feature set in a 4k Samsung or LG you will be looking at spending 40% more. I am extremely happy with this purchase and hope to still be using this monitor for at least 4+ years. So far my customer experience has been a very positive one and I WILL update this review should any issues arise with this monitor. I would recommend the AORUS FV43U to anyone looking for a great monitor with a few caveats at an exceptional value.
Reviewed in the United States on October 12, 2022
My pc and monitor remain on 24/7 to give you an idea of the kind of usage my components get. I run the background you see in the picture with HWINFO64 and several other applications that stay in the same spots; so far I have experienced zero burn in. I received this monitor new without a single dead pixel and it still has none!!
This AORUS FV43U monitor comes with the now typical small plastic tripod style legs which work well enough but clearly do not allow you to adjust for angle or height. I would prefer something more substantial and metal but the work.
The monitor has fantastic color reproduction for the price and some of the most even blacks I've experienced with a TN panel. The one I received has very little backlight bleed as well. The monitor WILL RUN HOT if you run it at the stock brightness settings. It was at 50 brightness by default and I run it at 5! I also updated the firmware which was supposed to address excess heat. The process to update the firmware was intuitive and easy enough.
HDR looks great on the monitor but unfortunately HDR implementation on Windows is horrendous. Namely a lot of monitor flashing when windows is flipping between SDR and HDR; which can happen in games (if another app is doing something in the background). I just turned HDR off and fine tuned my settings to most accurately reproduce the gamut. You need to run this monitor with BOTH the USB and Display/HDMI cables. I don't use the Aorus software but still had to run the USB for some of the monitors functionality.
When I run the monitor @ 144hz text looks odd especially when scrolling. Setting it to 120hz makes the text look nice and even regardless of where it is on the display. I don't have to use cleartype or any other software corrections to make text bearable and I constantly read and write large bodies of text on it.
I used this monitor for gaming a lot and I really enjoy it for this purpose. My previous monitor was 1440p and I am getting a kick out of 4k gaming and this monitor has a LOT of real estate. There are times in some games when I just stop and think "Wow! It just looks so gorgeous!". I have used it in gaming sessions in excess of 6+ hours without the slightest issue (knock on wood). Ghosting is minimal with a balanced overdrive setting and response time is totally acceptable. Again the blacks look great for a TN panel.
This was a big purchase for me and I am on a fixed income. I did quite a bit of research and compared many, many monitors. I think the AORUS FV43U strikes the perfect balance between features and value. Most the other monitors @ this size cost more and are ultra wide monitors with abysmal pixel densities and native resolutions that are not supported by many games. For the same feature set in a 4k Samsung or LG you will be looking at spending 40% more. I am extremely happy with this purchase and hope to still be using this monitor for at least 4+ years. So far my customer experience has been a very positive one and I WILL update this review should any issues arise with this monitor. I would recommend the AORUS FV43U to anyone looking for a great monitor with a few caveats at an exceptional value.
After some words with the seller the 2nd monitor arrived and it is incredible. I have it mounted at about eye level and my desk is about 33 inches deep and it is comfortable. I have HDR off and the brightness at 0% while I’m working because I don’t want to burn a hole through my eye sockets. The speakers are quite loud at 1% which is the only thing that puzzles me about this monitor. Even though it’s loud on 1, it is very nice to have decent quality speakers built in. They sound good for a monitor. Luckily I received a unit with no dead pixels.
The HDR on this is amazing and I have played COD Cold War on my PS5 with 120hz and it’s quite incredible. The jump from 30 to 60hz is obviously much more noticeable than the jump from 60 to 120hz but it’s still a great feature. The bigger difference in my opinion is the input lag which is basically 0 compared to a standard 4K HDR TV.
The built in KVM switch is amazing and I didn’t know how beneficial it would be for me. I’m familiar with standard KVM switches but this is great because it’s built in and I can switch easily from my MacBook Pro to my PC using the thunderbolt connection from my laptop.
Coming from two 22 inch monitors wall mounted and tilted inward was a little different but I am totally used to this monster monitor after a few weeks of use. When I am working I just sit close to my desk but I back up a little for gaming. The monitor is expensive but definitely worth it.
EDIT:
So I had my 2nd monitor for about a month and the return window was just expired. I noticed a very bright stuck pixel (green) right in the bottom center of the screen while I was playing Ghost of Tsushima. I was very bummed out needless to say. I tried turning the monitor off for a few days and even tried a stuck pixel fixer overnight and the pixel wouldn't budge.
Here come the QC issues.
Thankfully Amazon was great enough to allow me to get a replacement even though the window was expired by a few days. The problem was the replacement (3rd monitor so far) had a few dead pixels. I was able to wake them up with an online tool, but then there was something that could not be fixed with a pixel tool: a small hair located behind the screen. I ordered another replacement.
The fourth monitor came and I immediately noticed at least 5 dead pixels that were not fixable after troubleshooting. At this point I started looking for another 40+ inch monitor with HDMI 2.1 and I could not find one anywhere. I reluctantly ordered my 5th monitor hoping for the best.
The fifth monitor just got here and it is acting just like my 2nd monitor with no stuck or dead pixels. The screen isn't shattered and there are no hairs under the screen. I did notice that my 2nd monitor showed the stuck pixel a little over a month after playing. This was after I changed the HDR setting from HDR 1000 to HDR Game. I did that after a month of playing and got the stuck pixel, so on this monitor I am immediately turning it to HDR Game (which looks better and brighter to me) to see if the same issue happens. I will update my review again if the monitor starts to experience issues.
Edit: 7/15/22
After many months of gaming and working on this monitor, I am happy to say I don’t notice any stuck or dead pixels. If you can find a good one without QC issues, it’s a great monitor.
Reviewed in the United States on July 9, 2021
After some words with the seller the 2nd monitor arrived and it is incredible. I have it mounted at about eye level and my desk is about 33 inches deep and it is comfortable. I have HDR off and the brightness at 0% while I’m working because I don’t want to burn a hole through my eye sockets. The speakers are quite loud at 1% which is the only thing that puzzles me about this monitor. Even though it’s loud on 1, it is very nice to have decent quality speakers built in. They sound good for a monitor. Luckily I received a unit with no dead pixels.
The HDR on this is amazing and I have played COD Cold War on my PS5 with 120hz and it’s quite incredible. The jump from 30 to 60hz is obviously much more noticeable than the jump from 60 to 120hz but it’s still a great feature. The bigger difference in my opinion is the input lag which is basically 0 compared to a standard 4K HDR TV.
The built in KVM switch is amazing and I didn’t know how beneficial it would be for me. I’m familiar with standard KVM switches but this is great because it’s built in and I can switch easily from my MacBook Pro to my PC using the thunderbolt connection from my laptop.
Coming from two 22 inch monitors wall mounted and tilted inward was a little different but I am totally used to this monster monitor after a few weeks of use. When I am working I just sit close to my desk but I back up a little for gaming. The monitor is expensive but definitely worth it.
EDIT:
So I had my 2nd monitor for about a month and the return window was just expired. I noticed a very bright stuck pixel (green) right in the bottom center of the screen while I was playing Ghost of Tsushima. I was very bummed out needless to say. I tried turning the monitor off for a few days and even tried a stuck pixel fixer overnight and the pixel wouldn't budge.
Here come the QC issues.
Thankfully Amazon was great enough to allow me to get a replacement even though the window was expired by a few days. The problem was the replacement (3rd monitor so far) had a few dead pixels. I was able to wake them up with an online tool, but then there was something that could not be fixed with a pixel tool: a small hair located behind the screen. I ordered another replacement.
The fourth monitor came and I immediately noticed at least 5 dead pixels that were not fixable after troubleshooting. At this point I started looking for another 40+ inch monitor with HDMI 2.1 and I could not find one anywhere. I reluctantly ordered my 5th monitor hoping for the best.
The fifth monitor just got here and it is acting just like my 2nd monitor with no stuck or dead pixels. The screen isn't shattered and there are no hairs under the screen. I did notice that my 2nd monitor showed the stuck pixel a little over a month after playing. This was after I changed the HDR setting from HDR 1000 to HDR Game. I did that after a month of playing and got the stuck pixel, so on this monitor I am immediately turning it to HDR Game (which looks better and brighter to me) to see if the same issue happens. I will update my review again if the monitor starts to experience issues.
Edit: 7/15/22
After many months of gaming and working on this monitor, I am happy to say I don’t notice any stuck or dead pixels. If you can find a good one without QC issues, it’s a great monitor.
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Did not expect the menu option to stop working( no Access) So I can't change settings.
I emailed gigabyte but 3 days later still no reply!
I used to have Lg27GN950, mpg341cqr, Fi27q-p, benq28. This Fi32U is the best of best.
Just like Every Aorus monitor it Doesn't come out of factory with best setting. You NEED to go to their website and download the new firmware and using the cable to update the monitor.
The rtings says this is 22ms input lag but I cant tell it from my old 5ms Lg26GN950.
My best setting for gaming is super resolution 2, sharp 10, RGB 89 88 100, brightness for 25 to avoid eye fatigue.
Note: you definitely need a best gpu for this monitor. I have msi 3090 suprimX. For latest battle field 2042 beta test with 90+ pfs on 4k ultra setting.
Reviewed in Canada on October 12, 2021
I used to have Lg27GN950, mpg341cqr, Fi27q-p, benq28. This Fi32U is the best of best.
Just like Every Aorus monitor it Doesn't come out of factory with best setting. You NEED to go to their website and download the new firmware and using the cable to update the monitor.
The rtings says this is 22ms input lag but I cant tell it from my old 5ms Lg26GN950.
My best setting for gaming is super resolution 2, sharp 10, RGB 89 88 100, brightness for 25 to avoid eye fatigue.
Note: you definitely need a best gpu for this monitor. I have msi 3090 suprimX. For latest battle field 2042 beta test with 90+ pfs on 4k ultra setting.
Had bought this monitor with the sole purpose of reducing eyestrain and found the setup to be super painful. Had to read a lot of websites and try out a lot of options (the documentation etc is not very clear and their Sidekick app works unreliably)
The trick in the end was to NOT use the HDR setting in Windows (i.e. switch off HDR in Windows even though I am connecting via a HDMI cable) ... working perfectly after that
Loving the monitor now (but better documentation/setup utilities would have definitely helped reduce some heartburn)
Amazon Customer Service is down wright BAD when it come to large priced items they got it back on july 20 still not checked so untill they do i don't get a refund.
P.S screen was very clear and crisp for about 4 days they went downhill