Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley each participated in CNN town halls on Thursday in Iowa ahead of the state’s caucuses later this month.
The candidates, who are vying to emerge as the main alternative to former President Donald Trump, took questions from likely GOP caucus-goers and from moderators Kaitlan Collins and Erin Burnett at Grand View University in Des Moines.
DeSantis and Haley both made several claims worth checking.
DeSantis touts Florida’s economy
DeSantis once again touted Florida’s economic strength, saying “our economy’s ranked No. 1 in our own 50 states by CNBC” and “income growth is top of the charts.”
Facts First: DeSantis’ first claim is accurate: CNBC declared Florida the nation’s top economy in a July article. It’s worth noting, of course, that various media rankings use differing subjective methodologies. But his second claim about income growth is inaccurate, at least by one recent measure.
There are multiple ways to measure income growth, and DeSantis did not specify the measure, nor the time period. But according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, personal income in Florida grew by 3.5% between the second and third quarters of 2023, earning it a rank of 21 among states. Texas ranked No. 1 with a growth rate of 5.2%.
— From CNN’s Tami Luhby and Daniel Dale
Haley on the national debt
Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley voiced concerns about the nation’s mounting debt and interest payments.
“As of now, in a couple years, we’ll be paying more money in interest payments than we are in our defense budget,” she said.
Facts First: Haley‘s projection is right. If rates remain high, as expected, interest payments could overtake defense spending within a few years, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a government watchdog group.
The increase in the nation’s debt and the Federal Reserve’s repeated rate hikes have prompted a meteoric rise in interest payments. Net interest costs soared to $659 billion in fiscal year 2023, which ended September 30, according to the Treasury Department. That’s up 39% from the previous year and is nearly double what it was in fiscal year 2020.
Interest payments now rank as the fourth largest government program in spending, behind Social Security, Medicare and defense, according to CRFB. Defense spending totaled $821 billion in fiscal year 2023, according to the Treasury Department.
The government spent more on net interest than on Medicaid, veterans programs and all spending on children in the last fiscal year, according to CRFB.
-From CNN’s Tami Luhby
DeSantis and the pandemic
DeSantis criticized former President Donald Trump and Anthony Fauci, who served as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases from 1984 to 2022, for their handling of the Covid-19 pandemic, claiming they had locked down the nation and then said: “Florida led the way in dragging this country out of lockdown.”
Facts First: DeSantis’ claim is misleading at best. Before he became a vocal opponent of pandemic restrictions, DeSantis imposed significant restrictions on individuals, businesses and other entities in Florida in March 2020 and April 2020; some of them extended months later into 2020. He did then open up the state, with a gradual phased approach, but he did not keep it open from the start.
DeSantis received criticism in March 2020 for what some critics perceived as a lax approach to the pandemic, which intensified as Florida beaches were packed during Spring Break. But that month and the month following, DeSantis issued a series of major restrictions. For example, DeSantis:
• Closed Florida’s schools, first with a short-term closure in March 2020 and then, in April 2020, with a shutdown through the end of the school year. (In June 2020, he announced a plan for schools to reopen for the next school year that began in August. By October 2020, he was publicly denouncing school closures, calling them a major mistake and saying all the information hadn’t been available that March.)
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